That part I understand, I'm not trying to recoup money for what has already taken place, but you are telling me that if she doesn't demonstrate that she is paying for these services, she can't qualify for help ever ?? I am trying to establish the need is there and the services are being used aren't I? The only reason she hasn't been billed or paid for these services is because she can't afford it, not that she isn't using them. That to me is where the absurdity comes in as the reason that she is applying for the A&A is that she is using and in need of services the VA states they will provide some compensation for if she can't afford them, but her only way of showing that she can't afford them is by showing that she is paying for them ???? I have a headache lol, and I'm sure I have given you one also!